Hello, Dr. Frost! I have admired your work ever since I first discovered and followed you in 2021. Your balanced, wise, and emotionally intelligent approach to topics such as miscegenation and IQ differences commands my deep respect. This is my first opportunity to directly communicate with you, and I would be honored to have a personal conversation. Could you please let me know how I might contact you? Once again, I truly appreciate your impactful work and the remarkable individuals behind it!
Older whites are more likely to be atheist and hedonistic-materialists, so can't see a reason to continue life past the point of a utilitarian trade off of pleasure/pain. Minorities are more religious and less likely to think this way.
Hmmm ... it seems to me that I addressed that explanation.
"It would be politically easier to say that Euro-Canadians are over-euthanized because they want to be. They are less traditional than other groups, more solitary, and thus more open to euthanasia when old age creeps up on them. Yet this explanation doesn’t fit the data.
First, people most often prefer to be euthanized at home and as a means to hasten natural death. We see the opposite, however, with white over-representation in MAID deaths.
Second, MAID deaths are disproportionately white in institutional settings — so much so, that this one factor may explain most of the white over-representation. The “home turf” of a private residence or a retirement home seems to offer seniors more freedom to make up their mind — and not have it made for them.
Third, in whiter provinces, Euro-Canadian seniors are euthanized at the same rate as other seniors or even at a lower one. This might reflect a more conservative attitude toward euthanasia by traditional Euro-Canadians. But how does this explanation apply to Alberta and Quebec?
Alberta is the province where whites are least over-represented in MAID deaths and may even be underrepresented. Yet it is not much whiter than Ontario, and almost half its residents are born elsewhere. Nor is it very traditional, at least if we use religion as a metric.
Quebec is the province where whites are second-least over-represented in MAID deaths, and yet institutional resistance to euthanasia is almost absent there. In addition to having more unique MAID practitioners than all other provinces combined, it has the lowest percentage of hospitals that report no MAID deaths on their premises. Nor is there much resistance from organized religion."
I would go with white individualism. And I approve the idea of leaving while still a little ahead - or when ennui of becoming older and less and less capable becomes unbearable - that is not dying hopelessly attached to medical machinery for the last weeks, months, and sometimes years of life not worth living anymore.
And yet, I have uneasy feeling about government approved officials making the decision and implementing the execution. In Ancient Greek, Rome, etc. individualistic honor cultures, it was up to an individual (hemlock and Socrates, as an example). Outsourcing strikes me as the opposite, collectivism.
As to most of the opposition - typically based on one religious moral delusion or another (a crutch for a weakminded).
If white individualism is the cause, wouldn't Euro-Canadians be euthanized at a higher rate in private homes than in institutions? Isn't a private home more conducive to a free individual choice?
In reality, we see the opposite. The "excess deaths" among Euro-Canadians seem to be confined largely to institutions — where there is less scope for free individual choice.
Good point - this is why my misgivings about it devolving into collectivism. And yet, the origin of the idea is undoubtedly white individualism - do you know another culture that would come up with it?
Additional points: 1) the overrepresentation is about 10% (or so), not say double or an order of magnitude. 2) I can imagine that being in an institution and attached to life support (or equivalent of it) may be a major factor of getting approval.
Assisted suicide used to be common among elderly Inuit if they felt they were becoming a burden on their children.
1. For Canada as a whole, white over-representation in MAID deaths is above 12%. We don't know the exact figure because the percentage of Euro-Canadians has declined significantly since the 2021 census.
This over-representation is not spread evenly across the country. It is largely confined to Ontario and British Columbia — where white over-representation may be twice as high.
2. As for your second point, you seem to be forgetting that we're trying to explain why the risk of euthanasia is greater for whites than for non-whites. Why would non-whites be less often attached to life support? And why would whites be more at risk of euthanasia in those cases where there is no imminent risk of natural death?
But if white individualism is exactly the explanation for the point 2, if they are the originators of the idea, they are more likely to ask for it, even if everyone has similar likelihood of being on life support; this is what I would expect. Again, 12% overrepresentation (or thereabouts) is not 2X overrepresentation, based on white individualism preference, it could and may become even higher. Inuits, and other primitive societies (and European hunter-gatherers at some point) all had this resource-based attitude, which would be expected in collectivism. It resurfacing in the modern abundance society though is more likely expression of individualism, particularly that the person requests euthanasia for himself.
Regardless of this disagreement, I appreciate your writing this post and bringing the hypotheses for discussion. Of course you may be more correct than I.
Say, there are 86% of Canadian seniors that are white. 4% of them decide to use MAID. Then there are 14% of non-white seniors, and only 1% of them decide to use MAID. So, what do you do with these 86% vs 14%? Nothing!
Because overrepresented matters per capita, meaning if 4% white seniors go via MAID, and 1% non-white, per capita over-representation is 4/1 = 4x or 400%. And of course 10X is also possible same way.
Which hints that your method of counting overrepresentation was not correct in the post. I also have not paid attention when reading, even though it looked a bit off, but I trusted you have done arithmetic correctly. Sorry about having to point it out. Perhaps, when you modify the post, I will delete these comments?
Hello, Dr. Frost! I have admired your work ever since I first discovered and followed you in 2021. Your balanced, wise, and emotionally intelligent approach to topics such as miscegenation and IQ differences commands my deep respect. This is my first opportunity to directly communicate with you, and I would be honored to have a personal conversation. Could you please let me know how I might contact you? Once again, I truly appreciate your impactful work and the remarkable individuals behind it!
I'm busy right now. If you want to talk to me by zoom, you could DM me in two weeks.
And thanks for your kind words!
Older whites are more likely to be atheist and hedonistic-materialists, so can't see a reason to continue life past the point of a utilitarian trade off of pleasure/pain. Minorities are more religious and less likely to think this way.
Hmmm ... it seems to me that I addressed that explanation.
"It would be politically easier to say that Euro-Canadians are over-euthanized because they want to be. They are less traditional than other groups, more solitary, and thus more open to euthanasia when old age creeps up on them. Yet this explanation doesn’t fit the data.
First, people most often prefer to be euthanized at home and as a means to hasten natural death. We see the opposite, however, with white over-representation in MAID deaths.
Second, MAID deaths are disproportionately white in institutional settings — so much so, that this one factor may explain most of the white over-representation. The “home turf” of a private residence or a retirement home seems to offer seniors more freedom to make up their mind — and not have it made for them.
Third, in whiter provinces, Euro-Canadian seniors are euthanized at the same rate as other seniors or even at a lower one. This might reflect a more conservative attitude toward euthanasia by traditional Euro-Canadians. But how does this explanation apply to Alberta and Quebec?
Alberta is the province where whites are least over-represented in MAID deaths and may even be underrepresented. Yet it is not much whiter than Ontario, and almost half its residents are born elsewhere. Nor is it very traditional, at least if we use religion as a metric.
Quebec is the province where whites are second-least over-represented in MAID deaths, and yet institutional resistance to euthanasia is almost absent there. In addition to having more unique MAID practitioners than all other provinces combined, it has the lowest percentage of hospitals that report no MAID deaths on their premises. Nor is there much resistance from organized religion."
I sure will, thank you so much, Dr. Frost!
I would go with white individualism. And I approve the idea of leaving while still a little ahead - or when ennui of becoming older and less and less capable becomes unbearable - that is not dying hopelessly attached to medical machinery for the last weeks, months, and sometimes years of life not worth living anymore.
And yet, I have uneasy feeling about government approved officials making the decision and implementing the execution. In Ancient Greek, Rome, etc. individualistic honor cultures, it was up to an individual (hemlock and Socrates, as an example). Outsourcing strikes me as the opposite, collectivism.
As to most of the opposition - typically based on one religious moral delusion or another (a crutch for a weakminded).
If white individualism is the cause, wouldn't Euro-Canadians be euthanized at a higher rate in private homes than in institutions? Isn't a private home more conducive to a free individual choice?
In reality, we see the opposite. The "excess deaths" among Euro-Canadians seem to be confined largely to institutions — where there is less scope for free individual choice.
Good point - this is why my misgivings about it devolving into collectivism. And yet, the origin of the idea is undoubtedly white individualism - do you know another culture that would come up with it?
Additional points: 1) the overrepresentation is about 10% (or so), not say double or an order of magnitude. 2) I can imagine that being in an institution and attached to life support (or equivalent of it) may be a major factor of getting approval.
Assisted suicide used to be common among elderly Inuit if they felt they were becoming a burden on their children.
1. For Canada as a whole, white over-representation in MAID deaths is above 12%. We don't know the exact figure because the percentage of Euro-Canadians has declined significantly since the 2021 census.
This over-representation is not spread evenly across the country. It is largely confined to Ontario and British Columbia — where white over-representation may be twice as high.
2. As for your second point, you seem to be forgetting that we're trying to explain why the risk of euthanasia is greater for whites than for non-whites. Why would non-whites be less often attached to life support? And why would whites be more at risk of euthanasia in those cases where there is no imminent risk of natural death?
But if white individualism is exactly the explanation for the point 2, if they are the originators of the idea, they are more likely to ask for it, even if everyone has similar likelihood of being on life support; this is what I would expect. Again, 12% overrepresentation (or thereabouts) is not 2X overrepresentation, based on white individualism preference, it could and may become even higher. Inuits, and other primitive societies (and European hunter-gatherers at some point) all had this resource-based attitude, which would be expected in collectivism. It resurfacing in the modern abundance society though is more likely expression of individualism, particularly that the person requests euthanasia for himself.
Regardless of this disagreement, I appreciate your writing this post and bringing the hypotheses for discussion. Of course you may be more correct than I.
How could 2x over-representation be possible? If whites are 86% of Canadian seniors, how could they be 172% of MAID deaths?
Isn't 100% the ultimate limit?
Ah, it is called statistics :-)
Say, there are 86% of Canadian seniors that are white. 4% of them decide to use MAID. Then there are 14% of non-white seniors, and only 1% of them decide to use MAID. So, what do you do with these 86% vs 14%? Nothing!
Because overrepresented matters per capita, meaning if 4% white seniors go via MAID, and 1% non-white, per capita over-representation is 4/1 = 4x or 400%. And of course 10X is also possible same way.
Which hints that your method of counting overrepresentation was not correct in the post. I also have not paid attention when reading, even though it looked a bit off, but I trusted you have done arithmetic correctly. Sorry about having to point it out. Perhaps, when you modify the post, I will delete these comments?